Gadabadduun abbaa gadaatiin Orthodox Oromo jetti

[Dambal]

The divisionist and anti oromo online news paper going with the name of Jimma Times has come out yesterday with its true nature and its hidden mission of weakening and selling out the cause of oromo people for the sake of few egoist and selfish sellout individuals in our society. The reporter of the article linked below dared to describe the people where Gada's few features, like the Buttaa ceremoney resisted and survived even the brutal onslaut of alien rule in the country for more than hundred years, where Waaqefataa's only anual ceremoney is being observed by millions currently, the majority of this pillgrims also come from the surrounding area, where the followers of Waqefataa religion demanding for the state recognition of their religion at the moment, where indeed the majority of Oromos are also not in fact Orthodox religion followers, the evil missioned reporter and the news paper he or she works for dared to dub the people of this region as majority Orthodox christian, with out any tangible data to back his/her claim.

At the end of the day truth will be the winner, no matter how many evil missioned are among us.

Over 150 Oromo opposition officials detained in Ethiopia

[kano]

Atleast 150 representatives and members of the opposition party Oromo People's Congress (OPC) have been arrested in Ethiopia in less than five months, according to OPC leader Dr. Merera Gudina, who is also the chairman of Medrek (Ethiopian Federal Democratic Unity Forum), the largest opposition coalition in the country.Dr. Gudina told Jimma Times (JT) the abuses are spreading and the ruling party is trying to force the real opposition out of the upcoming May 2010 election.





Over 150 Oromo opposition officials detained in Ethiopia

[Uumaa]

before you know it they will be calling Harar Oromos muslims too. JT is number one divisionsist bastards. Where do they get their statistics? From Jimmaa? Idiots!

[Naga Tuma]

The divisionist and anti oromo online news paper going with the name of Jimma Times has come out yesterday with its true nature and its hidden mission of weakening and selling out the cause of oromo people for the sake of few egoist and selfish sellout individuals in our society. The reporter of the article linked below dared to describe the people where Gada's few features, like the Buttaa ceremoney resisted and survived even the brutal onslaut of alien rule in the country for more than hundred years, where Waaqefataa's only anual ceremoney is being observed by millions currently, the majority of this pillgrims also come from the surrounding area, where the followers of Waqefataa religion demanding for the state recognition of their religion at the moment, where indeed the majority of Oromos are also not in fact Orthodox religion followers, the evil missioned reporter and the news paper he or she works for dared to dub the people of this region as majority Orthodox christian, with out any tangible data to back his/her claim.

At the end of the day truth will be the winner, no matter how many evil missioned are among us.

Over 150 Oromo opposition officials detained in Ethiopia

Dambal,

There are two issues in the assertion by Jimma Times that you pointed out. One is OPC's constituency being from Shawa and the other being predominantly Orthodox.

I have a different take on the latter one. I don't have data but I can fairly guess that Orthodox Christianity has been widely practiced in Shawa for a long time. To me the question is not why but because of what reason it got a strong leverage and why it recently gave birth to our renaissance movement.

Back in the early 1990s, when Dr. Marara was interviewed on Ethiopia's then current political situation, one of the issues raised was about faith. His answer was short and to the point, something to the effect: If the Phenxees accepted a form of Christianity that came from over seas very recently, what is wrong with our people accepting the faith system that was closest to them?

Later studies reveal that actually there is continuity between Qallu Institution and Orthodox Christianity. From Irreecha to Timqat to Irreecha, from Hamachisa to Kiristinna to Hamachisa, and possibly from Gada to Gadam.

I think it is understanding this background that will help in getting out the facts and walk along that line. Getting defensive about it only exposes the defense to other's sarcasm that can quickly be interpreted as a defense.

On the other issue of Oromo constituency being from Shawa alone, as Jimma Times suggests, it would be only actual data that can refute or reinforce it. I don't have enough data but I remember reading the results of Ethiopia's 2005 elections. Then as ONC, the organization won seats from Borana to Salale and from Haromaya to Wallagga. When you compare that with what OFDM won, there was a sharp contrast. As a promoter of OFDM at the expense of other political parties, Jimma Times should have known this data better. What all political organizations can do for a healthy growth is to be as transparent as they can be. If all of them make public the constituencies their party leadership members represent, the figures will tell the stories of all.

[Dambal]

Dambal,

There are two issues in the assertion by Jimma Times that you pointed out. One is OPC's constituency being from Shawa and the other being predominantly Orthodox.

I have a different take on the latter one. I don't have data but I can fairly guess that Orthodox Christianity has been widely practiced in Shawa for a long time. To me the question is not why but because of what reason it got a strong leverage and why it recently gave birth to our renaissance movement.

Back in the early 1990s, when Dr. Marara was interviewed on Ethiopia's then current political situation, one of the issues raised was about faith. His answer was short and to the point, something to the effect: If the Phenxees accepted a form of Christianity that came from over seas very recently, what is wrong with our people accepting the faith system that was closest to them?

Later studies reveal that actually there is continuity between Qallu Institution and Orthodox Christianity. From Irreecha to Timqat to Irreecha, from Hamachisa to Kiristinna to Hamachisa, and possibly from Gada to Gadam.

I think it is understanding this background that will help in getting out the facts and walk along that line. Getting defensive about it only exposes the defense to other's sarcasm that can quickly be interpreted as a defense.

On the other issue of Oromo constituency being from Shawa alone, as Jimma Times suggests, it would be only actual data that can refute or reinforce it. I don't have enough data but I remember reading the results of Ethiopia's 2005 elections. Then as ONC, the organization won seats from Borana to Salale and from Haromaya to Wallagga. When you compare that with what OFDM won, there was a sharp contrast. As a promoter of OFDM at the expense of other political parties, Jimma Times should have known this data better. What all political organizations can do for a healthy growth is to be as transparent as they can be. If all of them make public the constituencies their party leadership members represent, the figures will tell the stories of all.

Naga Tuma,

like you also observed, if it was not for the intonation of the article itself there wouldn't have been much an issue here. Being followers of, or being described as, Orthodox or any other religion for that matter is not an offense by itself.

If they want to take on their propgaganda against Dr. Mararaa or the party he is a chairman let them face it. Such an attempt has however proved itself so far jsut futile. In order to take on Dr. Mararaa jumping on the whole region, would however hart only our collective interest, if we hope to have one. Even if the invisaged federal structure would one day function, I wounder how with such stab from the back we as a people can achieve the necessary coalitional trust and confidence in one another. In the abscen of that there is no meaning in the federal structure where Oromo as majority could enjoy its previlages thereof. Some of these "reporters" have tried to portray Dr Mararaa and his party as ergamaa diinaa for as long as the party itself existed. After that failed they started to rush in the opposite direction to rather catch up with. Even after they said ok now come together and work together for the benefit of our people and signed an accord, then they go out and say we are the only one representing the interest of the Oromo people, the others have compromised on the federal issues.

A few years back there was also such a "report" which claimed to report on the Irreechaa Celebration and said something like ...a lot of people attended the celebration, even those from Maccaa came... or something like that.

On the Orthodox christianity, I grew up in a family where my parents practiced tsiwwa, sort of church based association among the locals, and at the same time many of the rituals and observances of the traditional Oromo religion were also not only similarily observed but even more so ardently observed. I and all my siblings were christinisized and at the same time also taken to Ammachiisa. Without any exception in the family.
My mother used to send me sometime after harvest time to bring the church-tax, sometimes in kind and sometimes in cash. I woundered what it is about and why they have to give another people from their own harvest and asked my mother at one time. She said otherwise we can't find in case of a death in the family a cemetery.

But like you said the two managed to coexist without any much friction or noise like the current pheenxees are doing because of the faith.
The priest of the local church used to visit our home and drink coffee or xallaa. I don't remember the time he might have complained about the ritual prayer (Waaqa kadhannaa, which is commonly practiced before coffee and some drinks in the house). Imagine what a pheenxee would have done in such situation.
Abdaarii is regularly practiced by the locals, the families of the priest included, and there was no complain about it.

And as you said there might be some background why they managed to tolerate each other that much and managed to coexist so peacefully. The same could be true where some muslims lived but I can't imagine a phenxee would do the same.

So sometimes I do wounder if I might be in fact duly referred to as Orthodox, only because I do also have a christina name

[raajichaa]

Who started Dambalaa Orthodox church in central Oromia? Habasha or Oromoo? Any one? Pls?!

[Dambal]

Who started Dambalaa Orthodox church in central Oromia? Habasha or Oromoo? Any one? Pls?!

Raata'ichaa,

I made a call before a week to you and you never replied. What have you found out today to bother yourself about the "church in central Oromia", before you were able to answer about your own Oromo church in the heart of Finfinnee?

[raajichaa]

Raata'ichaa,

I made a call before a week to you and you never replied. What have you found out today to bother yourself about the "church in central Oromia", before you were able to answer about your own Oromo church in the heart of Finfinnee?

"My mother used to send me sometime after harvest time to bring the church-tax, sometimes in kind and sometimes in cash. I woundered what it is about and why they have to give another people from their own harvest and asked my mother at one time. She said otherwise we can't find in case of a death in the family a cemetery."

Not for a cemetery maybe the founders are Oromoo? mee qoradhu! Raatu nan jetee? Are you from central Oromia? who started Aboo Bodda Orthodox church and Ambo Yesus Orthodox church? Yaa Ijiolee Dandii!

[Dambal]

"My mother used to send me sometime after harvest time to bring the church-tax, sometimes in kind and sometimes in cash. I woundered what it is about and why they have to give another people from their own harvest and asked my mother at one time. She said otherwise we can't find in case of a death in the family a cemetery."

Not for a cemetery maybe the founders are Oromoo? mee qoradhu! Raatu nan jetee? Are you from central Oromia? who started Aboo Bodda Orthodox church and Ambo Yesus Orthodox church? Yaa Ijiolee Dandii!

while insisting to know about the founders of orthodox churches in central oromia, why do you fail to answer the question posed to you on those who started the Oromo Church in many parts of the country including the capital, which is even thrieving to get foot hold in many cities around the world where Oromo refugees live in a larger number?

If you are indeed concerned that much answer my question and I will try to find out in response who the first founders of the churches you referred to were.

[Naga Tuma]

Naga Tuma,

like you also observed, if it was not for the intonation of the article itself there wouldn't have been much an issue here. Being followers of, or being described as, Orthodox or any other religion for that matter is not an offense by itself.

If they want to take on their propgaganda against Dr. Mararaa or the party he is a chairman let them face it. Such an attempt has however proved itself so far jsut futile. In order to take on Dr. Mararaa jumping on the whole region, would however hart only our collective interest, if we hope to have one. Even if the invisaged federal structure would one day function, I wounder how with such stab from the back we as a people can achieve the necessary coalitional trust and confidence in one another. In the abscen of that there is no meaning in the federal structure where Oromo as majority could enjoy its previlages thereof. Some of these "reporters" have tried to portray Dr Mararaa and his party as ergamaa diinaa for as long as the party itself existed. After that failed they started to rush in the opposite direction to rather catch up with. Even after they said ok now come together and work together for the benefit of our people and signed an accord, then they go out and say we are the only one representing the interest of the Oromo people, the others have compromised on the federal issues.

A few years back there was also such a "report" which claimed to report on the Irreechaa Celebration and said something like ...a lot of people attended the celebration, even those from Maccaa came... or something like that.

On the Orthodox christianity, I grew up in a family where my parents practiced tsiwwa, sort of church based association among the locals, and at the same time many of the rituals and observances of the traditional Oromo religion were also not only similarily observed but even more so ardently observed. I and all my siblings were christinisized and at the same time also taken to Ammachiisa. Without any exception in the family.
My mother used to send me sometime after harvest time to bring the church-tax, sometimes in kind and sometimes in cash. I woundered what it is about and why they have to give another people from their own harvest and asked my mother at one time. She said otherwise we can't find in case of a death in the family a cemetery.

But like you said the two managed to coexist without any much friction or noise like the current pheenxees are doing because of the faith.
The priest of the local church used to visit our home and drink coffee or xallaa. I don't remember the time he might have complained about the ritual prayer (Waaqa kadhannaa, which is commonly practiced before coffee and some drinks in the house). Imagine what a pheenxee would have done in such situation.
Abdaarii is regularly practiced by the locals, the families of the priest included, and there was no complain about it.

And as you said there might be some background why they managed to tolerate each other that much and managed to coexist so peacefully. The same could be true where some muslims lived but I can't imagine a phenxee would do the same.

So sometimes I do wounder if I might be in fact duly referred to as Orthodox, only because I do also have a christina name

Dambal,

There are a few of us who have both Hamachisa and Kiristinna names; we are on the same boat there.

Actually, there may be a lot to the background, which goes back a long time into the past. Many people don't seem to understand it. A few years back, a comparison was made between the provisions and prohibitions of Qallu institution and the Orthodox church ( see link here if you haven't seen it before.) I think many have been surprised, Bwendimu may attest to that, and some that didn't see or didn't want to see silently changed course.

Did you say accord for the benefit of working for our people? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me goes the saying. An uncultured habit is hard to shade off and you can attest here how that culture is coming back to the surface after buying some time. Prove me wrong.